I love PC gaming to bits. It’s objectively better than consoles in literally every way, from controller support, to troubleshooting to performance to game library. The only thing it does worse is… it costs more if you want WAAAAAAAAAAAAAY more performance… so it’s not actually worse. Heck, you could (in a regular non-stupid market) almost-realistically pay LESS than one of the current consoles and actually get pretty equivalent, or better, performance. But if you go mid-to-high-end, the consoles are basically potatoes in comparison.

That said, in 2021, things haven’t been… ideal. Namely, costs rocketed up, for EVERY semi-useable video card. To a really wild level. I was gonna put a mini-rant about PC in my GotY post, but it ended up taking a life of its own… so I’m just gonna separate that. My GotY post will focus on the console side of things, at least as far as my ranting about the big 3 console manufacturers in the industry.

So I figure… I’ve always wanted to talk about PC gaming, why not do it now! Let’s go!

My current PC

I bought a new PC this year. I prefer to build PCs, but… because of what I’m gonna talk about later, this wasn’t really an option this year. My old PC is still pretty okay, I gave it to a friend. The i5-7600k CPU in it is… the big oof (I actually thought it was a 5600k… turns out that doesn’t exist… huh…). 4 core, 4 thread, even in 2017, was not very good. The 1070 GPU is still quite decent though, but the CPU was a big bottleneck and, as such, some games weren’t… functional. When it performed, it performed quite well, I could get above 60fps easily on most games at 1080p, but I was needing something new. And hey, the 30-series Nvidia cards had just come out, those were easy to buy, right? I wanted one of them for sure.

So my new PC is a prebuilt PC from the in-store brand at Canada Computers. Like all pre-builts, it has issues, but it was the only way to get a 30-series card that wasn’t… too ridiculous. At its core it’s fine though. Ryzen 7 3700X which is a HUUUUUUUGE upgrade over the old i5. The GPU is a 3060Ti (a Gigabyte Eagle version, it has a pretty good cooling solution which is nice) which I chose because benchmarks for it on youtube were pretty close to the 3070, and the 3070 was harder to get. So with that CPU and that GPU, you get very good performance. Not the best, of course, but still great.

The first issue with my prebuilt is motherboard. The Gigabyte B450M DS3H is actually kinda fine feature-wise (even has some minimal VRM cooling), but this DS3H isn’t a normal DS3H, it’s a DS3H Wifi V2. Not a DS3H Wifi, not a DS3H V2. DS3H Wifi V2. And it’s a weird one. Namely, it’s not supported by Gigabyte. So let’s say I want to upgrade my CPU to a 5800X or something… I can’t. Why? Well, there’s no bios update that exists for this motherboard. Just, straight up, it’s incompatible with better CPUs. Thanks Canada Computers. The second issue is the RAM, which is fine hardware wise (actually was dual-channel which is good, 16GB total able to run at 3200MHz), but if you don’t have knowledge about it, you might not know that the RAM is running at only 2666MHz, when it should be doing 3200MHz. You just have to know to activate your XMP profiles in the BIOS to run the RAM at its rated speed, so I did that… Canada Computers should’ve done that in case I wasn’t an MLG pro PC builder (not really). The next issue is the case. The Deepcool Matrexx 50 isn’t bad, as far as building and cable management. It’s not great as far as airflow. It has those 3 huge RGB fans in the front… with them being directly blocked by a glass panel. Good job Deepcool, but air needs to FLOW, and it can’t do that THROUGH GLASS (and those tiny holes on the side of the front panel are not great). Then finally, the last “issue” is the CPU cooler. Namely that they didn’t put an aftermarket cooler, instead just putting the stock cooler for the 3700X (the “Wraith Prism”)… But, thankfully, the stock cooler for the 3700X is actually the only good stock cooler ever made, it performs almost as well as a pretty okay aftermarket air cooler, so I got okay temps from it surprisingly, but I wanted a bit better.

So my current improvements on this machine… I upgraded to a 1TB m.2 SSD that’s faster than the one it came with (that SSD was fine, but a bit loser-y and only 512GB… the motherboard doesn’t support Gen 4 so I got pretty much the best Gen 3 I could). I added 16GB of RAM. I took out the stock air cooler and put a pretty okay 240mm all-in-one liquid cooler. My temps are pretty wild now, especially with how I fixed the Deepcool Matrexx 50 case… I just take off the front panel when gaming. That way the fans at the front of the case actually, you know, draw in air. Like they should. It’s not the best solution, but it works until I get a better case.

It’s pretty good. I also recently updated to a very nice 1440p 165Hz screen. For most games, I do get above that 165fps so it’s almost too smooth (just kidding, there’s no such thing), and I get my CPU and GPU temps just around 60 degrees celsius or less regardless of what I play so it’s actually pretty solid right now.

Future plans? TBH I’ll TRY to preorder an RTX 4070 whenever it’s announced (in hopes of getting it at MSRP, as long as said MSRP isn’t inflated because of the current BS). If I manage to get one, it’s NEW PC TIME! And this time I’ll build it rather than buy one! I want a new case, new motherboard, new CPU, and basically all I’ll reuse is probably gonna be the RAM (unless I go for DDR5), m.2 drive and CPU cooler.

Why build a PC?

There’s many reasons you should game on PC rather than console… other than handhelds, of course.

First and foremost… power. If you want power, the consoles are… utterly disappointing. My previous PC, which I mention above, is roughly the strength of a PS5, despite being many years older. The PS5 of course has the advantage of newer components, so it runs better in some cases and can, you know, do 4k to a point (the old PC… couldn’t at a good framerate). A mid-level PC now? Yeah, it smokes the PS5. Actual native 4k on every game, well above 60fps, is easy with not even the best hardware on the market. My current PC (noted above) runs Doom Eternal at 4k with RTX on at over 200fps, for example. Imagine if I had top-of-the-line stuff and spent 2000$ to buy a scalped 3080 Ti, I’d smoke even my current set up, the framerate I could get is not even funny.

Second… customization. It’s not just about power. It’s about… power. Specifically, about how much power you want, based on your budget or what kind of games you want to play on it. For me I want to play everything at decent performance at 1440p, so my current setup does that pretty well. If you just wanna play CSGO, a potato will play that, you’re probably able to spend 300$ on a PC that will run it at well over 100fps. You can completely build a PC that will perform decently at many MSRP price points. And it’s not just this type of customization, of course. Because you can customize game settings, so if you prefer higher framerates, you can lower some settings to improver performance, and if you’re weird and you prefer higher-quality graphics, you can set those higher and lower your performance. You can do whatever you want. And controllers… as long as it has a USB cable, you can just hook it up to your PC. Or bluetooth, that works too if your motherboard has bluetooth capability (or you can get a USB dongle). And all modern controllers literally function with USB cables. So there you go. Steam is kinda compatible with everything out of the box, other platforms and games tend to be at least compatible with Xbox controllers, if not other stuff. It’s pretty simple. This was tougher in the PS3 generation, but things certainly got better as far as controller options.

Third… It’s easy. There’s this weird misconception that PCs are hard to build. Maybe because we use the word “build”. But what you’re really doing is plugging standardized things of a standardized size into standardized ports. Square block, square hole. Easy. There’s a bit of screwing to do, and cable management can be a bit of an exercise if you want it to look really nice, but overall, unless you have like 50 RGB fans in your build (please don’t), it’s really easy to do, most good cases have a lot of ways to hide and sneak cables. And with cable extensions if you want to spend a couple extra dollars, you can even have nice-looking cables and management becomes even easier. Really, as long as you understand that “square thing goes in square thing, line up the triangles”, you can build a PC. Basically watch a guide or two of how to build a PC, there’s a million billion of them on youtube, and you’re good to go (heck, there’s probably tutorials for each of the different parts in your build, so if you want to know how to set up your AIO, just search up install guides for that specific AIO). Use PC part picker to know what parts are gonna be compatible with each other so you don’t end up getting an AMD CPU and an Intel motherboard, and even the buying experience is simple. And there’s a ton of communities to discuss this from twitter to youtube to reddit… the PC Master Race is willing to help anywhere, anytime.

There’s actually a lot of misconceptions about PC gaming that… don’t make sense at all. You’ll see people saying “I like to play games on my TV while sitting on my couch”, and I don’t know why they think PC can’t do that. Unless you don’t know how to hook up an HDMI cable between a TV and a device with an HDMI port… but in that case even consoles would be out of your reach. Since you can hook up whatever controller you want to your PC… use it however you want. You don’t have to play with mouse and keyboard, you don’t need to be at a desk, just do what you want. It’s your personal computer. Another weird misconception is the idea that you HAVE to constantly upgrade to the latest components… you really don’t. If you have a good PC from 4-5 years ago, you’re still outperforming the PS5. Just saying. There’s a lot of other misconceptions, I don’t know why people think installing a game on PC is hard, for example… it’s actually easier through Steam than installing a digital game on a console.

PC is objectively the best way to game… unless you want to play handheld. And there’s no good solutions for that, yet, unless you want meh performance… and, hey, if you want a handheld gaming system with meh gaming performance, that’s what the Switch is there for.

The current problem

Scalping. Yeah, that’s about it. This is a problem everywhere. PS5s (why?), Xbox Series X (even more why?), Pokemon cards (fucking WHY?), jet skis (yeah seriously), special editions of video games (here’s a trick: stop buying special editions of video games, they’re not worth it) and I’m sure there’s all sorts of other stuff… GPUs have a LOT of really bad scalping going on now. And it’s not just scalpers of course. LA laws about stacking shipping containers are constraining supply/shipping of everything for everyone all over the world (not the only factor, but it’s a big one) and of course LA politicians are idiots, so shipping contraints are going crazy. There’s a semiconductor shortage so that affects all sorts of stuff for all sorts of electronics (though footage from PC stores in China show no shortage of GPUs…. that’s fun :D). But as far as PC components, GPUs are the most affected thing. CPUs were hard to get for a bit, but now you can just do whatever, no problem. Just go on Best Buy, look at what they have in stock (as of this writing). Literally 2 1030s, a 730 and a 710. Those are all crap, and they’re way overpriced.

As of the writing of this post, GPU prices are pretty bad, since you literally can’t buy a GPU unless you’re lucky enough to… stay in line for a GPU for at least 12 hours and hope that there’s enough GPUs for you to be able to buy one. And that’s not just the, you know, good shit. It’s not just Nvidia 30-series GPUs that are impossible to buy and have been for over a year, or the also-great AMD RX 6000 series GPUs. It’s… literally any usable GPU that is basically unbuyable. The reason for that is the unavailability of the good new GPUs means some people have been building PCs anyways, in hopes of finding a good GPU to put in it, so just putting… whatever they can get their hands on until they can get what they actually want. But this got ridiculous too. Even something as shitty as a GT 710 has gotten hit by this ridiculous price increase BS, and that wasn’t a good video card even when it came out. And for the decently-okay stuff, you’re not just paying 10-50$ more than MSRP, of course, you’re paying around double MSRP.

To illustrate the issue, here’s the MSRP (at launch) of a bunch of select cards, and some of the most recent sales of the card on Ebay. Even though I’m canadian, I’m going with US currency this time. I’ll focus on Nvidia here, but AMD cards are in the same state. You ain’t finding even a decently-priced RX 570 anymore than you’re finding a well-priced GTX 1050.

3080 Ti – MSRP: $1199 (in 2021 (wow that’s actually not good value)). Recently sold on Ebay: $1800
3090 – MSRP: $1499 (in 2020). Recently sold on Ebay: $2800
3080 – MSRP: $699 (in 2020). Recently sold on Ebay: $1500 or more
3070 – MSRP: $499 (in 2020). Recently sold on Ebay: $1000
3060 Ti – MSRP: $399 (in 2020). Recently sold on Ebay: $850
2080 Ti – MSRP: $999 (in 2018). Recently sold on Ebay: $1000 (actually close to MSRP generally… but it’s old…)
2070 Super – MSRP: $499 (in 2019). Recently sold on Ebay: $700-800
2060 – MSRP: $349, later dropped to $299  (in 2019). Recently sold on Ebay: $500
1080 Ti – MSRP: $699 (in 2017).  Recently sold on Ebay: $650 (this was a weird one to find because lots were broken, some were “repaired”…. but at least it seems to sell for below MSRP which is kinda crazy… but it should be way lower)
1070 – MSRP: $379 (in 2016).  Recently sold on Ebay: $350-550
1660 Super – MSRP: $229 (in 2019). Recently sold on Ebay: $450-650
1650 – MSRP: $149 (in 2019). Recently sold on Ebay: $240-320
710 – MSRP: $34 (in 2016). Recently sold on Ebay: $35-60

Yeah, even the 710 can sell up to twice its original MSRP… and as you can tell from its original MSRP… it’s obviously not a card that was good when it came out 5 years ago (considering the 1070 came out that same year). Heck, all the older cards, none of them are fucking new, you’re paying more than their MSRP from years ago for a used card. It’s actually insane. Some of these are not gonna be in great shape. Also for some of them Founder’s Editions are more expensive (like the 3060 Ti, I was confused because some sold for $850 while the FE ones were $1300). Not super sure why. And I found some really weird ones, like a 3080 Ti for 800$? Might be broken? Doesn’t say it is, just says “Open Box”. Or a 990$ 3090? Not sure what’s up with that.

And this is allowed to go on because… well, obviously people are paying those ridiculous prices. Please don’t.

Seriously, stop buying scalped GPUs. Stop buying scalped… anything. Scalpers thrive because people are idiots who will buy from them and just get ripped off in a way that is absolutely avoidable.

But I want a GPU. What do?

So how do you get a GPU when GPUs are impossible to buy? You buy… entire computers. Or you can cave to the scalpers if you’re okay with paying the cost of a PC for a GPU. The other solution is just… wait to hopefully hear about restocks, then literally wait a whole night in front of the store and hope there’s enough. Might wanna consider knife fighting people on craigslist, who knows.

If you look up your local craigslist/kijiji, you may notice an abundance of kinda meh PCs with kinda similar okay-ish internals, with one exception… shitty graphic cards (or no graphic card at all). Early in the GPU drought, this made some sense, you could get a shitty PC with one of the new video cards, then you’d take out the GPU, put your old card (or buy a shitty cheap one) in the shit build, sell the shit build, and end up not paying too much extra for the actual GPU. This is an okay solution, but not ideal, and you’re not guaranteed to sell the shit-build, of course. Like I mentioned earlier, my current PC is one of those crap prebuilts, but it’s better than the average crap prebuilt. If you can get one of those at an okay price and you’re okay with spending more to fix some of the deficiencies, that’s an okay option. But as far as taking out the GPU and selling the rest, that’s less of a good option now, because… the price of prebuilts has started going up too. Prebuilts now, looking at the more “reasonable” options, are around 300$ more than they were in January this year. But one option is to just… buy a prebuilt, and run that.

And there’s issues with getting a prebuilt. The main one is that you have no idea what you’re getting. The motherboard will be whatever they can get their hands on for cheap, so it’ll suck. The RAM… most prebuilts will have a single stick of RAM, which, if you have a Ryzen CPU especially, is a bad idea for performance (ideally you want 2 RAM sticks, one in the A2 slot and one in the B2 slot). You won’t know which specific GPU you’re getting, the image of the product won’t answer that question. In some cases some companies literally lie about what’s in their computer (hi Dell!). Maybe the CPU cooler will be just shit. Maybe the motherboard will be some proprietary garbage that you can’t upgrade if needed (hi Dell!… and some others). You have no way to know what exactly will be wrong with that probably-shit prebuilt.

So what do you want to avoid when getting a prebuilt, if you’re going with that option? Dell. Definitely avoid Dell. Definitely avoid ASUS (I like your screens, guys (loving my new TUF Gaming 1440 monitor), but your prebuilt PCs are just way overpriced garbage). Avoid CyberpowerPC prebuilts. Avoid IBuyPower prebuilts. Avoid Dell. Avoid HP. Avoid Alienware (which is Dell). Avoid Dell. Avoid Acer. Avoid Apple. Avoid Dell. Avoid Lenovo. I shouldn’t need to say this, but avoid AliExpress (even though it’s unironically one of the better options if you’re… very lucky). Avoid Wish. Avoid Dell. Avoid… basically anything you find on Amazon (other than Skytech… who you should avoid not really because of quality, but because they’re expensive). Avoid prebuilts with Intel CPUs because they always use shitty Intel CPUs rather than the good Intel CPUs. MAYBE custom-built CyberPowerPC or IBuyPower computers are gonna be okay but they’re a bit expensive and their service is shit and their case selection sucks.

So what NOT to avoid when buying a prebuilt… It’s easy to say “nothing”, because every prebuilt is gonna suck in SOME way. But I can recommend SOMETHING. And that something is pretty simple: buy from a store brand. Canada Computers has Armoury. NewEgg has ABS. I dunno about other local brands outside of Canada… but look at those. Those are gonna be better than what you can get from any of the garbage I named above. You can’t FULLY tell what’s in those PCs, but you’ll see the a few things at least. The case will be what’s on the image, they may list what the SSDs and RAM are, at least partially. You’ll see what the CPU cooler is gonna be (because it’s gonna be the stock cooler if it’s a CPU that has one). And these will tend to have 2 sticks of RAM which is ideal. I mentioned some of the issues at the start, such as non-configured bios settings for RAM, shitty CPU coolers, bare minimum m.2 drives (which are still very good compared to any non-m.2 storage option), shitty case (the Deepcool Matrexx 50 I have is amongst the better options for a prebuilt, and it’s awful).

So prebuilts are an option (and, for some, the only option), but you’ll probably want to budget in some improvements, may it be more/better storage, an AIO cooler, more/better RAM and so on (and you may want, in this case, to compare prices between cheaper prebuilts and those potential improvements versus slightly higher-priced prebuilts)… and knowing where to set XMP profiles in the bios helps, as well as fan curves if you’re into the overclocking stuff. And, yes, selling off the pre-built other than the GPU and building the rest of the PC normally is also fine, of course. Especially if you currently have a PC with an okay-ish GPU, you can put that in the prebuilt and it’ll be an okay-ish PC for someone (as long as you’re not being a complete DICK like most people on craigslist/kijiji, overpricing PCs by waaaaaaaay too much).

My recommendations for building a PC (in an imaginary market where GPUs exist)

So let’s say you can get a GPU for a decent price (or you live in an alternate universe with no GPU shortage), what next? Well, if you’re able to get a GPU you probably don’t need my help, but I still want to talk about this a bit, because that’s part of the fun of PC, right?

A weird thing with building a PC now is that, while DDR4 has been the RAM standard for like 8 years now, DDR5 is about to come out, so if you want to “future proof” a bit, you may want to wait for those to come up, since DDR5 isn’t gonna fit in a board with DDR4 slots (physically, they have different pin configurations), and vice versa. So this is basically a choice to make. Both AMD and Intel are gonna release motherboards and CPUs that support DDR5 next year, so forward/backward compatibility is gonna get a bit weird. This is definitely something to think about right now.

As far as CPU, I do absolutely recommend going Ryzen, AMD’s CPUs are awesome right now. The motherboards tend to be decently backward compatible, and also FORWARD compatible (again, with some questions when it comes to DDR5). Most B450M or X470 will support the Zen 3 Ryzen chips unless they’re dumb like my DS3H Wifi V2 (so just make sure whatever MB you go with has bios updates). There’s definitely questions as far as DDR4 vs DDR5 support still, this will be a BIG deal with tech youtubers next year, so we’ll get these answers very fast. As far as the kind of CPU you want, honestly anything at least as good as the Ryzen 7 3700X is gonna be a nice baseline for a very good PC, anything above that will be even better. I’d look at 5600X or 5800X ideally (depending on your budget).

For storage, I’m really at the point where I’d tell people to avoid HDDs entirely, and even SATA SSDs are kinda meh. m.2 drives are MUCH faster so better for daily tasks, so… go for them. Of course it depends on use cases, maybe a bunch of HDDs will be useful if you need a lot of archival space, but the average gamer who plays just a couple games at a time and manages their space decently… a single 1TB m/2 will be fine. Gen 4 is faster, though you need a motherboard and CPU that supports it.

For RAM, if you’re using an Intel CPU, go with whatever, at least 16GB. If you’re with a Ryzen CPU, DDR4 3200MHz should be the bare minimum for performance, with at least 2 sticks (in slots A2 and B2) because Ryzen really cares about dual-channel and memory bandwidth. For gaming, right now I do recommend going at least 16GB worth of RAM. I’m not sure what’s gonna be ideal with DDR5, but the minimum speed is already 5600MHz so faster than DDR4, but we don’t know everything yet. Either way, the better the RAM, the better the performance with Ryzen, but I’d ideally look at 3600MHz on a DDR4 kit unless you have money to waste. For Intel it matters too but it’s less important.

On the GPU side, it really depends what you want to do. If you’re mainly 1080p, a 3060 Ti is gonna work wonders, and it’ll do the job pretty well at 1440p. If you’re mainly 1440p, the 3070 will serve you well (and will just be amazing if you’re below that), and will be able to do 4K pretty well. If you wanna do mainly 4K… you probably don’t because 4K monitors that have okay framerate is super fucking expensive right now (unless you’re okay with 60Hz… I’m not, at least for PC)… but a 3080 will be great for you (and will be beyond amazing at anything less than 4K). A 3090 is obviously great, but it’s gonna be stupid expensive so it’s not really worthwhile. Just get whatever you can get, pretty much. If you’re looking at specific GPU features, TBH I’d say to look look at the cooling solution,  make sure it won’t overheat because of bad design. At least 2 fans, a good fin stack and casing that doesn’t choke the card (I.E. has enough holes for hot air to come out of). If you wanna get wacky, there’s some video cards with LCD screens on them for the lulz.

CPU cooling… some air coolers are fine, the EVO 212 is still pretty solid but I’m sure there’s some other good ones, probably made by Noctua. Ideally if you have a decently-performing CPU, even a pretty minimal AIO (all-in-one water cooler) will be very useful. They’re a bit of a hassle to install compared to an air cooler, but not too bad.

On the case side my best recommendation is: lots of front airflow, a space for a top-mounted AIO (be sure there’s clearance for the RAM, my Matrexx 50 with my XPG RAM was VERY close), a good back space to pass cables through, and a decent PSU shroud. There’s a LOT of arguments for air flow, either positive pressure, negative pressure or neutral pressure. I like the neutral concept, with 3 fans for the front set as intake, 2 fans for the AIO set as exhaust and one back fan for exhaust as well, but you can kinda go as you want, as long as you have some air coming in, and some air coming out. For cases, I’d be looking at a stuff like the Corsair 4000D Airflow or the Phanteks P400a. Something with a nice mesh front and mesh top would be the minimum for me.

The PSU… basically it’s good to have pcpartpicker tell you how much you’ll need with your selected parts. Unless you go crazy with the video card, a 650 watt PSU will do the job even with a 3080, if you want to be safe/future-proof a bit you can go higher. The PSU should ideally should have an 80+ Gold rating, and there’s more things beyond that you want to really dive deep into PSU performance, but at least that Gold rating is a pretty good indication that it won’t burn your house down.

For cable management, of course a lot of that is gonna be on the case’s side, but a fun thing for both aesthetics and easier cable management would be to use sleeved cable extensions, that way all the connecting to the PSU from the motherboard can be done in the back of the case and the cables you do see (that will be going to behind the board) will just look nicer.

Not counting the upcoming DDR5 (so if I were making something with DDR4 again), my future build if I can manage to get a 4070 next year would look something like this: https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/YcGpy4 (+ that 4070 of course).

Overall

Everything else about PC gaming is the usual. There’s plenty of stuff I could talk about, but I don’t really need to as far as the quality of PC gaming in 2021. It’s just better than other options, by FAR. Buying an Xbox Series X is just dumb compared to getting a PC since the Xbox has no exclusives and the games just run worse than a mid-range PC, and the PS5 has no games right now so a mid-range PC will run multiplats better than the PS5 anyways…. it’s kinda foolish to still care about the current gen of home consoles.

The advantages of PC gaming are just too big to ignore anymore. The power hasn’t been ignorable since the PS3, the customizability is just getting better and better every day, the modding scene only exists (properly) on PC (since modding console games require PCs anyways), the controller compatibility is amazing, it can do all sorts of other stuff, and so on. Just have a Switch on the side for handheld play (since handheld PC options are overpriced crap right now, Steam Deck very much included) and the Switch actually has exclusives, and you’re all set. Switch+PC is objectively better than any other platform combination.

Now if only the market could un-stupid itself and GPUs would get back to near-MSRP levels so people could actually build PCs again rather than buying meh prebuilts, things would be super amazing. 2021 has not been super great for PC when it comes to that kinda stuff, the GPU shortages and scalping just went full stupid. The fact that even really old, really shitty GPUs are being overpriced to hell is just not acceptable in any way. Like, why are GT 710s twice as expensive as they were at launch, despite their awful shitness even back then? Those stupid shipping issues can’t last forever, right? We’ll be able to buy things at some point, right?